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	<title>Comments on: Thoughts on Scans_Daily and Peter David</title>
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		<title>By: Fail, Peter David. Fail. &#124; She Hulk - 6'7" and Green</title>
		<link>http://shehulk.sliverofice.com/thoughts-on-scans_daily-and-peter-david/comment-page-1/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>Fail, Peter David. Fail. &#124; She Hulk - 6'7" and Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] know, eventually, I might&#8217;ve read another Peter David comic after the Scans_daily debacle. But now I&#8217;m [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://shehulk.sliverofice.com/thoughts-on-scans_daily-and-peter-david/comment-page-1/#comment-1341</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I&#039;m only getting back to this after some time, but I do think that &quot;feminist, slash-friendly discussion&quot; needs to be separated out from &quot;blatant copyright violation, trolling, and name-calling.&quot;  
I&#039;d love to see a community with the former that isn&#039;t dependent on/inextricably tied to the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I&#8217;m only getting back to this after some time, but I do think that &#8220;feminist, slash-friendly discussion&#8221; needs to be separated out from &#8220;blatant copyright violation, trolling, and name-calling.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;d love to see a community with the former that isn&#8217;t dependent on/inextricably tied to the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica</title>
		<link>http://shehulk.sliverofice.com/thoughts-on-scans_daily-and-peter-david/comment-page-1/#comment-1161</link>
		<dc:creator>Erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 06:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Havoc -- You are absolutely correct in that most comic stores (much like most comics and the marketing surrounding them) do not cater to people not like the editors/writers/sellers, who often fit the stereotypical fanboy image. And jesus, anyone who follows a teenage girl around in the store to leer needs to be kicked in the crotch, swiftly. 

I personally have had both negative and positive encounters in comic shops (and at cons), and all the negatives ones related directly to my gender. And it&#039;s rare that I go into a comic shop and don&#039;t drop $20-40 at least twice a week. I am lucky to live in a place where I have a variety of stores to choose from.

I feel like there needs to be a woman-owned comic store that does what Babeland and Good Vibrations did for sex stores, which is really apt, but inappropriate comparison. Because Peter David and the men who followed you around the comic store and the ones who point me to the manga section really don&#039;t know what&#039;s best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Havoc &#8212; You are absolutely correct in that most comic stores (much like most comics and the marketing surrounding them) do not cater to people not like the editors/writers/sellers, who often fit the stereotypical fanboy image. And jesus, anyone who follows a teenage girl around in the store to leer needs to be kicked in the crotch, swiftly. </p>
<p>I personally have had both negative and positive encounters in comic shops (and at cons), and all the negatives ones related directly to my gender. And it&#8217;s rare that I go into a comic shop and don&#8217;t drop $20-40 at least twice a week. I am lucky to live in a place where I have a variety of stores to choose from.</p>
<p>I feel like there needs to be a woman-owned comic store that does what Babeland and Good Vibrations did for sex stores, which is really apt, but inappropriate comparison. Because Peter David and the men who followed you around the comic store and the ones who point me to the manga section really don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s best.</p>
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		<title>By: Havoc</title>
		<link>http://shehulk.sliverofice.com/thoughts-on-scans_daily-and-peter-david/comment-page-1/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator>Havoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, see, that&#039;s the thing.  I didn&#039;t generally patronize scans_daily, because I didn&#039;t have the time to go through such a high-volume comm.  But it was there when I wanted it!  Which I loved.  I used to read comics a LOT more than I do now.  I used to go to my local comics shop, without fail, every single week to pick up my subscriptions.  Now, when I say &quot;I used to go to my local comics shop,&quot; I meant that I went to the store I&#039;ve been shopping at SINCE I WAS NINE.  My local comics shop had so much of my business, it wasn&#039;t funny.

Of course, I stopped going as much after I hit puberty, because I was wearing a Catholic school uniform, and I had boobs.  This isn&#039;t the sort of attention you want to draw in your local comic shop.  The employees would follow me around.  CREEPY.  (This behavior didn&#039;t happen as much when I walked in with a guy.  Fail, comic book dudes.  Epic fail.)

What I really WANT, however, is a girl-owned comic book shop.  With an all-female staff.  (If it were a comic book and gaming shop both?  Ideal.  So ideal.)  One that I could go into and bitch like hell about cover art, or the latest annoying plotline, and I can hear back something I can relate to.  I have a harder time relating to guys who like comics.  We just like different things about them.

So instead, I have my internet friends, and I seek out women who like comics, and geek out with them.  So I get annoyed when someone (like Peter David) tries to take that away from me in a fit of &quot;I know better than you do.&quot;  When, really, he doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, see, that&#8217;s the thing.  I didn&#8217;t generally patronize scans_daily, because I didn&#8217;t have the time to go through such a high-volume comm.  But it was there when I wanted it!  Which I loved.  I used to read comics a LOT more than I do now.  I used to go to my local comics shop, without fail, every single week to pick up my subscriptions.  Now, when I say &#8220;I used to go to my local comics shop,&#8221; I meant that I went to the store I&#8217;ve been shopping at SINCE I WAS NINE.  My local comics shop had so much of my business, it wasn&#8217;t funny.</p>
<p>Of course, I stopped going as much after I hit puberty, because I was wearing a Catholic school uniform, and I had boobs.  This isn&#8217;t the sort of attention you want to draw in your local comic shop.  The employees would follow me around.  CREEPY.  (This behavior didn&#8217;t happen as much when I walked in with a guy.  Fail, comic book dudes.  Epic fail.)</p>
<p>What I really WANT, however, is a girl-owned comic book shop.  With an all-female staff.  (If it were a comic book and gaming shop both?  Ideal.  So ideal.)  One that I could go into and bitch like hell about cover art, or the latest annoying plotline, and I can hear back something I can relate to.  I have a harder time relating to guys who like comics.  We just like different things about them.</p>
<p>So instead, I have my internet friends, and I seek out women who like comics, and geek out with them.  So I get annoyed when someone (like Peter David) tries to take that away from me in a fit of &#8220;I know better than you do.&#8221;  When, really, he doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Erica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 06:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@paxm -- Definitely a useful resource has disappeared. Yeah, I also felt that the timing was a little off to be completely professional.

@Caroline -- I definitely agree that there were pissed off members going too far. And that there are other communities for discovering comics, though I&#039;m not sure there is an easy remedy for Scans_daily&#039;s core group. For me, I got more recs out of Girl-Wonder.org, but for me, feminist comics (or comics with more than two women talking to each other about non-men stuff) is more important for my reading.

@Thomas Rau -- I don&#039;t know Peter David personally so I can&#039;t judge whether or not he&#039;s a liar. Even if he&#039;d only heard of Scans_daily recently, it doesn&#039;t change that he did get into an argument there and have it shut down at the same time, which tinges it with personal offense, not just professional copyright protection. I did go to his blog to read his post about Scans_daily and then I read the post before it, which declared that racism was dead since white people elected Obama. That post made me more pissed off than the entire kerfuffle about Scans_daily. I would link, but it seems like someone hacked his site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@paxm &#8212; Definitely a useful resource has disappeared. Yeah, I also felt that the timing was a little off to be completely professional.</p>
<p>@Caroline &#8212; I definitely agree that there were pissed off members going too far. And that there are other communities for discovering comics, though I&#8217;m not sure there is an easy remedy for Scans_daily&#8217;s core group. For me, I got more recs out of Girl-Wonder.org, but for me, feminist comics (or comics with more than two women talking to each other about non-men stuff) is more important for my reading.</p>
<p>@Thomas Rau &#8212; I don&#8217;t know Peter David personally so I can&#8217;t judge whether or not he&#8217;s a liar. Even if he&#8217;d only heard of Scans_daily recently, it doesn&#8217;t change that he did get into an argument there and have it shut down at the same time, which tinges it with personal offense, not just professional copyright protection. I did go to his blog to read his post about Scans_daily and then I read the post before it, which declared that racism was dead since white people elected Obama. That post made me more pissed off than the entire kerfuffle about Scans_daily. I would link, but it seems like someone hacked his site.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Rau</title>
		<link>http://shehulk.sliverofice.com/thoughts-on-scans_daily-and-peter-david/comment-page-1/#comment-1042</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Rau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You cannot convince me that Peter David’s desire to shut down the community only had to do with copyright infringement. If so, it would’ve happened a long time ago.&quot; 

So you believe he is lying when he says he never heard of the place until very recently? I don&#039;t think he is. At the moment, he may be all kinds of things to you, but he&#039;s not a liar. Many commenters on the blog admit to also never having heard of SD, world-famous as it may be in your part of the web. Perpetuating this idea is understandable, but not helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You cannot convince me that Peter David’s desire to shut down the community only had to do with copyright infringement. If so, it would’ve happened a long time ago.&#8221; </p>
<p>So you believe he is lying when he says he never heard of the place until very recently? I don&#8217;t think he is. At the moment, he may be all kinds of things to you, but he&#8217;s not a liar. Many commenters on the blog admit to also never having heard of SD, world-famous as it may be in your part of the web. Perpetuating this idea is understandable, but not helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://shehulk.sliverofice.com/thoughts-on-scans_daily-and-peter-david/comment-page-1/#comment-1036</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(or, more accurately, by a community focused around discussion &amp; not primarily on scans)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(or, more accurately, by a community focused around discussion &amp; not primarily on scans)</p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
		<link>http://shehulk.sliverofice.com/thoughts-on-scans_daily-and-peter-david/comment-page-1/#comment-1035</link>
		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 22:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I don&#039;t have any particular sympathy for PAD in this situation, but I wish the focus were less on &#039;He told on us&#039; and more on &#039;Maybe the community members who behaved extraordinarily badly in this situation should have some accountability.&quot;

Also, while I don&#039;t at all doubt that S_D turned a lot of people on to comics they ended up buying, and that it was a good center for discussion for a lot of people, I feel like most of the positives that people are associating with the community could be accomplished in other forums.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I don&#8217;t have any particular sympathy for PAD in this situation, but I wish the focus were less on &#8216;He told on us&#8217; and more on &#8216;Maybe the community members who behaved extraordinarily badly in this situation should have some accountability.&#8221;</p>
<p>Also, while I don&#8217;t at all doubt that S_D turned a lot of people on to comics they ended up buying, and that it was a good center for discussion for a lot of people, I feel like most of the positives that people are associating with the community could be accomplished in other forums.</p>
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		<title>By: paxm</title>
		<link>http://shehulk.sliverofice.com/thoughts-on-scans_daily-and-peter-david/comment-page-1/#comment-1033</link>
		<dc:creator>paxm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 19:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I had no idea that had happened. scans_daily is one of the few communities I&#039;ll go back a couple of hundred posts to catch up on if I&#039;ve been away from LJ for a few days. It was a great resource for me to learn about comics that I might want to pick up if they weren&#039;t on my pull list. Given the thousands of titles out there, I just don&#039;t have the cash to try every new title that comes out. scans_daily was so helpful for that.

As for Peter David, well, I don&#039;t have a lot of use for diva artists and creators no matter how good (or bad) they were at what they did, and although perhaps there were concerns for copyright violations, it sounds like David could have shut it down earlier. The timing sounds a bit too linked to his recent disagreements with those who would criticize his work. I agree, very unprofessional.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I had no idea that had happened. scans_daily is one of the few communities I&#8217;ll go back a couple of hundred posts to catch up on if I&#8217;ve been away from LJ for a few days. It was a great resource for me to learn about comics that I might want to pick up if they weren&#8217;t on my pull list. Given the thousands of titles out there, I just don&#8217;t have the cash to try every new title that comes out. scans_daily was so helpful for that.</p>
<p>As for Peter David, well, I don&#8217;t have a lot of use for diva artists and creators no matter how good (or bad) they were at what they did, and although perhaps there were concerns for copyright violations, it sounds like David could have shut it down earlier. The timing sounds a bit too linked to his recent disagreements with those who would criticize his work. I agree, very unprofessional.</p>
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